Thing is: I don't like the alpha/beta/omega thing in fanfic. I prefer not to read it, I don't write it (and doubt I would even if you'd pay me), I find the whole exaggerated/distorted traditional gender dynamics pressed down over the slash sort of creepy and squicky and far too full of non-con for my tastes.

Apparently, this doesn't stop my brain from going: so, if omegas go into heat, does that mean that alphas can go into musth?
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From: [personal profile] kabal42


Well, speculating that doesn't come with a requirement that you like the fic it would result in! (I want to say 'yes' just because it would be damn funny.)
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I wouldn't want to read it either, but it's a very funny thought!
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Isn't the entire idea of this rather sickening A/B/O idea as a trope not to portray Alphas as unable to control their lust for the weak feminized Omega and be bossy and agressive all the time, thus legalizing rape? I mean, I suppose that sort of put them into musth 24/7?

*is about to attack trope with machine gun and Crowley, but without musth*

I like the thought, though. Strange that no one has thought of it before; it makes very much sense in the context.
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From: [personal profile] lysanatt


:D I like your rant. It partly addresses what I dislike about A/B/O; although I have been reading some, trying to find anything that deals with the dynamics in other alternative and more digestible ways. I've seen (and back-buttoned a few where the Alpha lives in a state of aggressiveness, unable to tolerate other Alphas, and I'm not sure it made things better, exactly the "I couldn't help it, it was all hir fault" notion.

As a firm believer in informed, adult and hence meaningful consent, I agree with you, although it doesn't squick me, it makes me angry.
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this doesn't stop my brain from going: so, if omegas go into heat, does that mean that alphas can go into musth?

This is exactly the sort of questioning that lead me to write an A/B/O story, so be careful.

And I think a story about alpha going into musth might be interesting, if the writer was good enough at thinking it through.
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Well...


I like science in my fiction. Therefore, when I'm writing genderfic, and I write a LOT of genderfic, I look at the social and biological sciences. What is the culture doing? For what practical, usually hidden, reasons is it doing that?

Biology shapes a lot of what we do -- not just human biology, but all our companion and livestock and predator and prey animals. The facts that horses will work an hour later than oxen, but require more foot protection, changed human history.

So yes, if I've got one sex that undergoes a hypersexual episode, usually the other has an equivalent, or has some other quirk of similar scope. That will influence the culture, and then individual characters choose how they react to the standard setting. If they're my characters, they usually drop a monkey wrench down it.

Any motif in literature can be done well or poorly. Some are easy to flub and challenging to render gracefully. Some seem to attract clumsy or obnoxious writers. Alpha/Omega is easy to write as bad porn. But it's also terrific for hardcore sociology. That's probably where it came from -- some of us who've been into genderfic for decades, and who also read things about wolf biology and bonobos solving problems with sex, and far-out things. It's not just in fanfic, it's in original fiction too, including some of the best damn sociological SF ever written.

Of course, you're entitled to conclude that the signal-to-noise ratio is too low to be worth your time. *chuckle* Me, I'm an editor, I've read slushpiles. I can tell in a paragraph or few if a story's worth reading, so I go through a list very quickly and it's not hard for me to find the good stuff. If I'm reading A/O fiction, I'm looking for characters bucking the system, or finding ways around a biological handicap, or writers using obscure bits of science in clever ways, etc. Wall-to-wall pr0n, meh, clicky-next.
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