That's what I get for crossposting to both Dreamwidth and Livejournal - two people asking for PotC. And since I can't think up that many opinions tonight, I'm very sorry, but you will just have to share these with fairlyironic:
1. I don't actually like Elizabeth Swann. She's not so bad in the first movie - a bit of a spoiled brat who has read too many books and has a too romantic view of certain things, but at least the movie doesn't let her get away with stuff. But the sequals? Somehow in relatively short time she has managed to find the time to learn how to not just fence, but do some very acrobatic throwing around swords fighting style? Fair enough that she's an active, smart, completely ruthless woman, but when did that transformation take place? How come that her stirring speach-making in the first movie can't even get a single pirate crew to do anything, while in the third she - okay, so she rouses a lot of pirates to raise a lot of flags and then most of them proceed to be the pirates who don't do anything, but while she was playing at stirring oratory I kept waiting for a repeat of that scene in the first movie. How come that the somewhat annoying girl that had to come face to face with the harsh reality behind her dreams in the first movie can suddenly drag everybody into her dreams in the sequels... I'll just stop this ranting...
2. While Ted & Terry has certainly added ghosts and goblins and sea monsters aplenty, then nobody is ever going to persuade me that they didn't - consciously or unconsciously - get a substantial amount of "inspiration" from an 80's movie called Nate and Hayes. Watch it if you doubt me. I'm still considering writing a crossover reincarnation fic thing...
3. A part of me can't help but feel that this fandom grows smaller every time something new is added. Well, not the fandom - but the world. Yes, they add new stuff and more history - and they steal the mystery. The fun thing about the first movie was this mostly-historical (anachronism stew, yes, but still) setting that had something unreal intrude upon the perceived reality. Yet, every expansion of canon - comics, sequel movies, those books about young Jack - turns the universe more and more into a high fantasy alternate Earth - and rips away some of the things I liked best. Anyway.
1. I don't actually like Elizabeth Swann. She's not so bad in the first movie - a bit of a spoiled brat who has read too many books and has a too romantic view of certain things, but at least the movie doesn't let her get away with stuff. But the sequals? Somehow in relatively short time she has managed to find the time to learn how to not just fence, but do some very acrobatic throwing around swords fighting style? Fair enough that she's an active, smart, completely ruthless woman, but when did that transformation take place? How come that her stirring speach-making in the first movie can't even get a single pirate crew to do anything, while in the third she - okay, so she rouses a lot of pirates to raise a lot of flags and then most of them proceed to be the pirates who don't do anything, but while she was playing at stirring oratory I kept waiting for a repeat of that scene in the first movie. How come that the somewhat annoying girl that had to come face to face with the harsh reality behind her dreams in the first movie can suddenly drag everybody into her dreams in the sequels... I'll just stop this ranting...
2. While Ted & Terry has certainly added ghosts and goblins and sea monsters aplenty, then nobody is ever going to persuade me that they didn't - consciously or unconsciously - get a substantial amount of "inspiration" from an 80's movie called Nate and Hayes. Watch it if you doubt me. I'm still considering writing a crossover reincarnation fic thing...
3. A part of me can't help but feel that this fandom grows smaller every time something new is added. Well, not the fandom - but the world. Yes, they add new stuff and more history - and they steal the mystery. The fun thing about the first movie was this mostly-historical (anachronism stew, yes, but still) setting that had something unreal intrude upon the perceived reality. Yet, every expansion of canon - comics, sequel movies, those books about young Jack - turns the universe more and more into a high fantasy alternate Earth - and rips away some of the things I liked best. Anyway.
Sorry I'm so late in responding to this; I just realized that all my livejournal mail has been going into my spam folder :(
Anyway, I agree with you about Elizabeth. People who do almost everything perfectly annoy me, although I did feel sorry for her at the beginning of the second movie, what with her wedding being ruined and all. And did you just make a reference to Veggie Tales? *snicker*
I'll have to watch Nate and Hayes, it sounds interesting :)
Hmm. Actually, your third point makes a lot of sense, though I hadn't thought of it that way. I like B movies, so I really ought to have liked the third Pirates movie more than I did. I think that if it had been a stand alone, I would have loved it, but I'd already given my heart to the first movie, and they were so dissimilar that the third one felt like a puzzle piece that didn't quite fit.
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1. I don't actually like Elizabeth Swann. She's not so bad in the first movie - a bit of a spoiled brat who has read too many books and has a too romantic view of certain things, but at least the movie doesn't let her get away with stuff. But the sequals? Somehow in relatively short time she has managed to find the time to learn how to not just fence, but do some very acrobatic throwing around swords fighting style? Fair enough that she's an active, smart, completely ruthless woman, but when did that transformation take place? How come that her stirring speach-making in the first movie can't even get a single pirate crew to do anything, while in the third she - okay, so she rouses a lot of pirates to raise a lot of flags and then most of them proceed to be the pirates who don't do anything, but while she was playing at stirring oratory I kept waiting for a repeat of that scene in the first movie. How come that the somewhat annoying girl that had to come face to face with the harsh reality behind her dreams in the first movie can suddenly drag everybody into her dreams in the sequels... I'll just stop this ranting...
2. While Ted & Terry has certainly added ghosts and goblins and sea monsters aplenty, then nobody is ever going to persuade me that they didn't - consciously or unconsciously - get a substantial amount of "inspiration" from an 80's movie called Nate and Hayes. Watch it if you doubt me. I'm still considering writing a crossover reincarnation fic thing...
3. A part of me can't help but feel that this fandom grows smaller every time something new is added. Well, not the fandom - but the world. Yes, they add new stuff and more history - and they steal the mystery. The fun thing about the first movie was this mostly-historical (anachronism stew, yes, but still) setting that had something unreal intrude upon the perceived reality. Yet, every expansion of canon - comics, sequel movies, those books about young Jack - turns the universe more and more into a high fantasy alternate Earth - and rips away some of the things I liked best. Anyway.
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1. I don't actually like Elizabeth Swann. She's not so bad in the first movie - a bit of a spoiled brat who has read too many books and has a too romantic view of certain things, but at least the movie doesn't let her get away with stuff. But the sequals? Somehow in relatively short time she has managed to find the time to learn how to not just fence, but do some very acrobatic throwing around swords fighting style? Fair enough that she's an active, smart, completely ruthless woman, but when did that transformation take place? How come that her stirring speach-making in the first movie can't even get a single pirate crew to do anything, while in the third she - okay, so she rouses a lot of pirates to raise a lot of flags and then most of them proceed to be the pirates who don't do anything, but while she was playing at stirring oratory I kept waiting for a repeat of that scene in the first movie. How come that the somewhat annoying girl that had to come face to face with the harsh reality behind her dreams in the first movie can suddenly drag everybody into her dreams in the sequels... I'll just stop this ranting...
2. While Ted & Terry has certainly added ghosts and goblins and sea monsters aplenty, then nobody is ever going to persuade me that they didn't - consciously or unconsciously - get a substantial amount of "inspiration" from an 80's movie called Nate and Hayes. Watch it if you doubt me. I'm still considering writing a crossover reincarnation fic thing...
3. A part of me can't help but feel that this fandom grows smaller every time something new is added. Well, not the fandom - but the world. Yes, they add new stuff and more history - and they steal the mystery. The fun thing about the first movie was this mostly-historical (anachronism stew, yes, but still) setting that had something unreal intrude upon the perceived reality. Yet, every expansion of canon - comics, sequel movies, those books about young Jack - turns the universe more and more into a high fantasy alternate Earth - and rips away some of the things I liked best. Anyway.
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Anyway, I agree with you about Elizabeth. People who do almost everything perfectly annoy me, although I did feel sorry for her at the beginning of the second movie, what with her wedding being ruined and all. And did you just make a reference to Veggie Tales? *snicker*
I'll have to watch Nate and Hayes, it sounds interesting :)
Hmm. Actually, your third point makes a lot of sense, though I hadn't thought of it that way. I like B movies, so I really ought to have liked the third Pirates movie more than I did. I think that if it had been a stand alone, I would have loved it, but I'd already given my heart to the first movie, and they were so dissimilar that the third one felt like a puzzle piece that didn't quite fit.